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Something to think about

I have two sets of ingredient lists for you (one a little more detailed than the other).  These are not quite comparable, because the first is a liquid product, and the second is a powder to be made up with water.

Here's list one:

Water, Corn Syrup Solids, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, and/or Cottonseed Oil, (Adds a Trivial Amount of Fat), and Less Than 2% of Sugar, Modified Cornstarch, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sodium Caseinate, (Milk Derivative), Not a Source of Lactose, Color Added, Artificial Flavor, Mono And Diglycerides, Polysorbate 60, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Carrageenan, Salt, Betacarotene Color.

Here's list two:

43.2% corn syrup solids, 14.6% soy protein isolate, 11.5% high oleic safflower oil, 10.3% sucrose, 8.4% soy oil, 8.1% coconut oil.

I think we can agree that neither of these looks exactly what you'd call a healthy food, right?  You probably wouldn't like to live on either one.

I'll give you a hint: The second is one I just saw in a video I watched, and thought, "Hey, that looks a hell of a lot like the ingredient list for [first product]."

Any guesses?  We can pretty much ignore all the "less than 2%" fractions in the first list.  We're left with corn syrup, oil, and in list two, a little bit of sucrose and soy protein. The sodium caseinate might give a clue as to what product 1 is.

OK, I'll give. The first is non-dairy creamer. You're probably now thinking, "Ewww!  No KIDDING I wouldn't want to live on that!"  Right?  And you probavbly wouldn't want your kids to live on an exclusive diet of it either, would you?

So, are you ready to learn what product #2 is yet?


...It's milk formula for babies.

Think about it.

Oh, the video?  It's this one, from Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology.  Watch it.  Then think about this, too.

(I tried embedding it, but even though the embed URl was right, what actually showed up in my post was the cover of the Who's "Who's Next".  WTF?)

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elegantelbow From: elegantelbow Date: January 22nd, 2012 01:59 am (UTC) (Link)
I wouldn't be surprised to see similar lists on Slim Fast or Glucerna shakes.
unixronin From: unixronin Date: January 22nd, 2012 02:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Neither would I, but I haven't compared. Likewise, um, what's it called ... blanking on it. Never mind. Another similar product. That crap isn't food by any realistic definition. AT BEST, it's emergency rations.
suzilem From: suzilem Date: January 22nd, 2012 02:50 am (UTC) (Link)
That's a soy-based formula. The same manufacturer also makes a milk-based one and an "organic" one.

Water, Nonfat Milk, Lactose, High Oleic Safflower Oil, Soy Oil, Coconut Oil, Galactooligosaccharides, Whey Protein Concentrate. Less than 0.5% of the Following: C. Cohnii Oil, M. Alpina Oil, Beta-Carotene, Lutein, Lycopene, Ascorbic Acid, Soy Lecithin, Monoglycerides, Potassium Citrate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Carageenan, Ferrous Sulfate, Magnesium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Choline Bitartrate, Taurine, m-Inositol, Calcium Phosphate, Zinc Sulfate, Potassium Phosphate, d-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acetate, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate, L-Carnitine, Vitamin A Palmitate, Cupric Sulfate, Thiamine Chloride Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Manganese Sulfate, Phylloquinone, Biotin, Sodium Selenate, Vitamin D3, Cyanocobalamin, Sodium Chloride, Potassium Hydroxide, and Nucleotides (Adenosine 5’-Monophosphate, Cytidine 5’-Monophosphate, Disodium Guanosine 5’-Monophosphate, Disodium Uridine 5’-Monophosphate).

unixronin From: unixronin Date: January 22nd, 2012 05:21 am (UTC) (Link)
Even there, the third, fourth and fifth ingredients by volume that are not water are all added vegetable oils. I don't really see the point of using nonfat milk and then adding oils back in instead...

I'll freely grant this is a lot less nasty than the Similac glop up above. But that doesn't excuse the glop.
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hannahsarah From: hannahsarah Date: January 22nd, 2012 04:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, to be fair, a lot of those scary chemical sounding names towards the end are just the scientific names for vitamins. Read the ingredients in your average bottle of multivites and you'll see the same thing.
unixronin From: unixronin Date: January 22nd, 2012 05:17 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm inferring this was supposed to be a followup to suzilem's comment, not to the toplevel post. And yes, a lot of those are supplements.
hannahsarah From: hannahsarah Date: January 22nd, 2012 06:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Oops, clicked the wrong one!

Speaking of making mistakes, don't ever think you can substitute creamer for formula. I ran out of creamer once, and thought that maybe my daughter's formula might work. D-: I ruined a perfectly good cup of coffee.

I swear, babies must be born without tastebuds, because that stuff was FOUL!
unixronin From: unixronin Date: January 22nd, 2012 04:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think it's that babies are born without taste-buds. They just have limited granularity when it comes to complaint.
cymrullewes From: cymrullewes Date: January 23rd, 2012 02:30 am (UTC) (Link)
*SNERK* Babies are most certainly born with taste buds. They can taste the difference between Mom and mom-in-the-bottle and want nothing to do with the bottle because of the taste from the silicone or latex nipple.
hannahsarah From: hannahsarah Date: January 23rd, 2012 06:48 am (UTC) (Link)
My poor kiddo got her first teeth in at 3 1/2 months (!) and it hurt so bad to nurse that she went on strike and started losing weight. I HAD to supplement, but I hated doing it. A friend of mine started pumping extra for her, so at least I had that to mix in with the formula. Poor little thing was so hungry she didn't care about flavors.

Now she's the pickiest eater EVER!
xander_opal From: xander_opal Date: January 22nd, 2012 07:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
I am quite horrified by the infant formula. It is also a symptom of a US cultural problem--Americans have stopped paying attention to the stuff they call food, aside from a handful of relatively small groups. The industry use of corn syrup and corn products as a sweetener/filler for many so-called foods is something I have Issues With.
From: deeprivermom Date: January 23rd, 2012 12:23 am (UTC) (Link)


I'm a mum of young children so I was bombarded with the pros and cons debate the moment I learned I was pregnant. It was otherwise an issue that was invisible to me in my pre motherhood life. I hadn't even noticed the existence of large schools and playgrounds in my old neighbourhood. It was as if a previously unknown universe or parallel dimension revealed itself to me when I discovered I was pregnant. I'm curious (okay maybe nosy), as to how or why this issue caught your attention?
It's a very touchy issue, there are the mums who breastfeed and judge those who use formula harshly. I did choose to breastfeed and would do so again in a heartbeat, but I have mum-friends who had complications and could not breastfeed their babies and had to give them formula. Still there are other mothers who elected to feed their babies formula, I don't know if it was an informed choice on their part. I do think the hospitals are doing a better job of encouraging and educating the public on the benefits of breastfeeding, but it's a mixed message when they also give free samples and literature from whatever formula company has given them supplies.
unixronin From: unixronin Date: January 23rd, 2012 01:59 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: curious

See the link I pasted at the end of the post. (I was going to embed the video, but that ... wasn't working.) It's a 90-minute talk by a UCSF pediatrician talking about the rock-solid, provable-at-the-biochemistry-level direct link between fructose and obesity, Type II diabetes, and a host of other metabolic and physiological problems more commonly associated with alcohol abuse.

The infant-formula issue is something he tossed out along the way, talking for a few minutes about infant obesity. I looked at the quantitative contents analysis flashed up on the screen, and thought to myself, "Wait a minute ... that's non-dairy creamer with a different label."
cymrullewes From: cymrullewes Date: January 23rd, 2012 02:29 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: curious

We were watching the video and Dr. Lustig was talking about obese SIX MONTH olds... it blew my mind. I breastfed our three girls because it was much easier and less expensive the buying formula. Also, because my Mom had fed us and with the higher risk of breast cancer, it made more sense to do the things that reduce my risk.
wyrdling From: wyrdling Date: January 23rd, 2012 03:25 am (UTC) (Link)
...and they give away that stuff for free to new mothers in the hospital. trying to hook their customers early?? (they must have a huge list of trace vitamins, too?)
nevermind feeding a newborn anything else can really mess up nursing on both sides :(
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